Without doubt!

Wow way too many computers that were talking about right now!

Well no. Not that old, unless you want command line only.

Ya its not that old

Would command line only be able to run all those text based adventures? What about DOS games?

I love DOS games.I have the DOS box installed onto my computer.

I just installed Ubuntu 10.04 on a laptop, it's allot simpler than I thought it was gonna be.

Anything I should know as a new user?

Yeah, you can buy music in Rhythm box from the online store, and if you sign up to Ubuntu one, your music will be automatically available on all your ubuntu machines. Or from windows by going to the ubuntu one website.

Click on your name at the top and you can manage all your IM and broadcast accounts (twitter, facebook etc) and set your status for all them at once as well as posting to them all at once. If you enter your flickr account details in here, it will be available in FSpot (the photo manager) and you can easily export photos to flickr in a couple of clicks.

Also, you don't need to worry about viruses any more.

If you want to install software go to Applications > Software Center. It's easy to search in there and install away. In short Ubuntu is freakin awesome - welcome on board!

PS. Oh yeah, if you have an iphone there is an app available to sync your contacts with Evolution (the mail client in Ubuntu).

Ubuntu sounds great but should i get it?

Also, 10.04 works with iPhone OS devices, so you can add songs and stuff.

When I was installing it, it said something about being able to install on the same hard drive as windows. Would it be "safe" to try this option on my main machine, or would that be stupid and a major risk to all my windows stuff?

Now for the newbie questions, from me and Dad...

Can I run DOS based files? Are there file types that Ubuntu can't use, if so what are they? What stuff can it do that windows can't? (and vice versa)

Haha! I already asked about DOS files.

...No response. I'm interested in hearing what the ubuntu users have to say to Hobbes' questions.

I plan to use Ubuntu but im still seeing if it is good and safe.

It's safe, no doubt. Good probably too. And dual boot. Why not try when you have the almighty dual boot.

What I meant by "Would it be 'safe'" is, I already have windows 7 installed on my machine and I haven't partitioned the hard drive at all. (1.36 Tb hard drive)

Will it safely install without effecting my windows stuff to much?

It will resize your Windows partition. I have done this many times with no problem, but that's on XP and Vista machines, haven't tried with 7 yet.

It should be fine, but it may freak you out because the next time you boot into windows it will do a check disk. Don't be alarmed, that's normal.

If you want to install Ubuntu with no risk at all, use the Wubi installer. Insert the Ubuntu disk in Windows and it will install like a normal windows program. You can even uninstall it using Add/Remove programs in windows. When you next reboot you'll get the choice of booting Ubuntu or Windows.

Only disadvantages of doing it this way
- Ubuntu will run slightly slower than normal since it is using the windows file system through a translation layer
- Ubuntu won't be able to see the windows part of the hard drive so you lose the ability to scan for windows viruses from the safety of Ubuntu

But neither of these things matter if all you want to do is have a look at it.

If you find yourself missing the eye candy from Win7 try Kubuntu as well. I'm using it on my big computer and freaking loving it!

@DOS people - DOS box is said to run almost all DOS games perfectly. I don't know cos I haven't tried it.

Kubuntu?Is that like an improved version of Ubuntu?

So Steve, you're saying DOS box works on ubuntu?(or WINE)

You should have tried it then. You can play Epic MR with it, you know. It's such an EPIC alpha. And y'know, if I finish it someday, you can play it then.

10 May 2010 [comment_32741]

megaman4ever

Crud. I was going to bold only the word EPIC but it seems that I left out the slash accidentally.

Ah that's ok,atleast it's fixed!

@Hobbes if you boot from the disk and install, it will create a separate partition. If you insert the disk within Windows and install from there, it won't.

Kubuntu is the KDE version of Ubuntu. Unlike Windows Linux has a choice of desktops. KDE used to be the most popular, now Gnome is more popular but KDE4 is pretty awesome. Gnome is faster though so better for Netbooks. Even faster again is XFCE the version of ubuntu with that is called Xubuntu.

Try Ubuntu first but if you don't like it try Kubuntu - it's more Windows like as well so you might find it easier. On the other hand it's a little rougher around the edges, and sometimes doesn't 'just work' like Ubuntu does.

I'm sticking with Ubuntu for my Eee1000 but I'm very happy with Kubuntu on my big desktop.

@megaman4ever to install dos box just type
sudo apt-get install dosbox
to run go to Applications > Games > DOSBox Emulator

I'll try running EPIC merlin in it once I've answered the rest of the comments.

Thanks Steve, I'll install on my desktop here in a bit, and let you know how I like it once I get it all/the basics figured out.

Listen guys,what is a KDE version?

KDE is the K Desktop Envirement.

While in windows, you have to have a start button, on Linux you can have whatever you want.

Is it envirement or environment?

Hmm. Maybe I should switch to ubuntu whenever I next fiddle with my laptop then...hmmmmm.......

Well, have a play with it Darren but you'll probably want to keep windows around for a while before making a full on switch.

@Hobbes Please do, and post here if you need any help.

KDE: http://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/kde4.png/

GNOME: http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tr/contentPics/techrepublic_gnome_default_desktop.jpg

Ubuntu sounds very good,I may use it when i get the time

IT IS MOST EPICALLY AWESOME!!!!!

That kde link doesn't seem to have any screenshots on it. Here's another
http://www.kde.org/screenshots/

Then I should get ubuntu.

Whoops.

Thanks for the screenshots Steve.

So hey. What are some good things to start out on in Ubuntu that'll help me learn how to use it better?

Oooh where to begin?

I think the first thing to learn (it took me ages to find this out) is that the equivalent of task manager on Ubuntu is not the thing that looks most like it.

If you go to

System > Administration > System Monitor

You'll see something that looks like task manager on Windows. However, if your desktop gets screwed up really badly, this little baby ain't gonna help.

Instead press ctrl-alt-f1 and you'll end up at a full screen command line. From here you can login by typing your username and password.

Run
top
to see which processes are killing your system and then
sudo killall [name of process]
to kill it off.

Finally press ctrl-alt-f7 to go back to your original desktop.

You may now notice that pressing ctrl-alt-(f1-f6) gives you six different command line screens.

Press ctrl-c at any time on the command line to quit the program or instruction that's running and get your prompt back.

This my come in useful or you may never need it. I'll post other things next time.

@Steve, my laptop currently runs kubuntu so going to ubuntu wouldn't be a huge change; at least not as huge as jumping straight from windows would have been. Of course, I'd rather try it out first but I'm not sure how XD

Ooooo!!!! I know. Darren, install the package ubuntu-desktop, and it'll install GNOME for you, keeping files, programs, and pretty much everything.

GNOME....GNOME.Could someone please give me a little info on that?

I quote myself.

Super_merlin
KDE: http://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/kde4.png/

GNOME: http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tr/contentPics/techrepublic_gnome_default_desktop.jpg

Whoops!Forgot it was at the middle of the pile of comments.Sorry.

And I'll quote myself.

That kde link doesn't seem to have any screenshots on it. Here's another
http://www.kde.org/screenshots/

Thank you again!

Ah yes. My friend had a weird Vista theme which apparently hacked his vista so he could change the desktop as he pleased.

I once had his show a few of his creations. They were.... Most obscure. But very intriguing and he seemed to have all the most important stuff on show and all the other important stuff he needed right there one click away. It... I can't even explain it. It didn't look like windows at all. It looked like an arcade racing machine screen, more like=O

I just played Zelda 2.It is good but for some reason I kinda like 1 better.Just the way you fight enemies in Zelda 2 is a little weird.Off to go play paper mario 64!

It's only paper mario as far as I recall, not paper mario 64.

Details, but it's sort of the same as mixing Mario Bros and Super Mario Bros I think.

I just felt like saying 64.I think that it is pretty stupid that at the end of almost every nintendo game it says 64.It is a weird and annoying gimmick.

Hm. It's only after nintendo published games for the 64.

I believe it is there for the same reason Super NES games often had 'Super' in front of their names - to enforce the idea that the game needs the console and to grow Nintendo's ego by showing they are better than others by having 64-bit consoles.

And no, I really don't know why the games have the 64 often. I understand the console, but the games?

I mean Super actually still shows it is better than the old one, usually. And don't forget Sega - I believe Nintendo wanted to show their games were Super games, in this case, better than the old one, or better than Sega's. Because Segas games were so ordinary and Nintendo's were Super.... Yeah you get the point by now.

It's just my personal belief.

Oh, the original paper mario was great. so was TTYD. the third seemed not as good.

I loved super paper mario. I hadn't played the other paper marios before that though.

I played paper mario some time.. It was really slow paced. Too many cutscenes you can't skip, long battles against goombas.. etc. Didn't really like it, but I only 'scratched the surface', as you could say. Does it have alot of optional stuff? Sidequests? Alot of hidden collectables? Replay value? Things to do after storyline?

Those kind of stuff really made Super paper Mario awesome, in addition to the sort of sad story and awesome level design with some puzzles and very cleverly hidden treasure.
It had the card system, all the recipes, the great 100 challenge dungeon which I actually completed on easy(never bothered to cook items strong enough for flopside), and, tons of stuff, really.

Dude! I loooove Super Paper Mario! I likle the other two as well, (the second being better) but Super Paper Mario I think was my favorite! The ONLY thing that sort of bugged me was that there was a fair amount of waling back and forth, but I definitly like it a lot.

Atleast you can skip the annoying elevator sequences once it gets repetitive, and try to find that hidden guy who digs pipes for you everywhere.

He is really tough to find at times though.

Yeah, he can be, I haven't played it in a while though, been playing all my old Mega Man games recently...

You guy's play the new old megaman games on Wii yet?

I was planning to get a copy of it on HBC, but can't find it anywhere. I guess I should ask for it from my friend who has it.

I might buy it if I get those point I've been planning to get for ages, but it seems that once again, I have something better to put my money on.

Oh yeah, played both of them! They're pretty fun.

I've heard that they are making the new megaman game.Megaman 11?I don't know.I defeated Megaman 1,2,3,4,5 and 6 in one day.
I also heard that the new DS is going to be called the 3DS.I think it will be cool.

I have also heard that they are going to make some new pokemon games next year.Pokemon Black & White.I also saw the 5 new pokemon.
http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/pokemon.shtml
Pretty sweet!

Hm...new Mega Man? Like, the ORIGINAL mega man? becasue I know they're making a mega man zero collection, and mega man zx advent had a hidden ending which seemed to open for a new game. although I would love mega man 11. ha ha! Beaten 1 through 6 in one day? Wow. and yeah, the "3ds" looks pretty cool, it really does have yet to be proven to be amazing though.

Ya the original megaman.I play on Nestopia and VisualBoy Advance.

You use *emulators*? SHOCK AND HORROR!

Nah seriously, I use them too.



...Okay, this was far more random of a comment than I usually make on here. Gogo super lack-of-sleep powers?

On an other useless topic, today's my last day of school!!

Awesome,Immortal_merlin!
Anyways...well I don't have too many consoles.
I've got a wii,DS,PS2,Nintendo 64.Ya and that's pretty much it.But I will get an Xbox eventually...

I've got... a Wii, Gamecube, N64, SNES, NES, Two GBAs, two DS Lites, and a PS2. So as you can tell I'm a pretty big Nintendo fan.

You've got an actual SNES (and NES too)? Nice.

I used to have an NES but it got busted so I threw it away but now I just use emulators.Speaking about games,does anyone know any great NES games?

MOTHER
aka Earth Bound
aka Earthbound 0.

I want to get mother sooo bad. But it's SUPER expensive... Oh and the old zelda games are fun. Annoying at times, but I liked them.

NES games? Can I get a 'hell yes' please? It's a long list, so I added a @ after all that I consider especially awesome.

AD&D: Pool of Radiance @
Adventures of Lolo
Balloon Fight
Bubble Bobble @
Blaster Master
Castlevania @
Castlevania II
Castlevania III
Clu Clu Land
Contra @
Crystalis @
Donkey Kong
DPadHero
Dragon Warrior III
Earthbound @
Excitebike
Final Fantasy @
Galaga
Ghosts' n Goblins @
Ice Climber
Ice Hockey @
Joust @
Kid Icarus @
Kirby's Adventure @
Mega Man @
Mega Man 2 @
Mega Man 3 @
dunno haven't beaten rest but they are cool as well
Metal Gear @
Metroid @
Mike Tyson's Punch Out!
NES Open Tournament Golf @
Ninja Gaiden @
Ninja Gaiden II
Ninja Gaiden III
R. C. Pro-Am 2
River City Ransom @
Super C @
Super Mario Bros @
Super Mario Bros 2 (J)@
Super Mario Bros 2 (U)
Super Mario Bros 3 @
Tank 1990 @
Tennis
Tetris
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
The Legend of Zelda @
The Legend of Zelda II

Remember that the @ are games I actually really enjoy(and have beaten most of them too), but that includes some games I just loved as a kid and then found again later, for example, so consider it just my personal opinion. Whether or not you like them is not my problem.

Ah, and this huge voting thing also may help: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=916386&topic=51440644

Thank you alot Megaman4ever. I needed a list like that.

Isn't Earthbound Mother 2, not Mother?

I'm kinda surprised you consider Metal Gear to be an awesome game. I mean yes it was the precursor to the MGS series, but on it's own it was a pretty unimpressive game, I felt. Like 'you need to put the explosive charges on the feet of the Metal Gear at the end in the right sequence' with no real reason for why a specific sequence matters at all (and why should it?).
(I also played it on an MSX emulator rather than NES, maybe it's different?)

Yes, the NES metal gear has some differences. I know the gameplay isn't that great, but I find it really challenging and have this urge of trying to beat it.

I'm a completionist. I never rest until I beat a game 100%.

How about pokemon? That is a really hard game to 100% defeat.

The series goes like this.

1. Mother. It was translated to English, and planned to be released uner the title of Earth Bound. It was cancelled however. A test copy was found, and put on the Internet called Earthbound 0.

2. Mother 2. This was released in the US, called Earthbound. (No space).

2.5 Earthbound 64. A nintendo 64 sequel. Cancelled for all regions. What work had been done went into the real Mother 3.

3. Mother 3. This was not officialy translated to English, however, awesome fan/hax0rz Tomato translated it. You don't usually call it Earthbound 2.

Yes, I acknowledge the existence of the Pokemon games, but you specifically asked about NES games.

Ya I know. I like every console, except for Xbox.

What's wrong with XBox?
Well, 360 is quite nice - you can program games for it, play Halo 3 and CoD:MW2.

But that's about it.

I don't really know why. It is just that it is one of the new consoles. I really like retro consoles like the NES.

I like how you can make games for it, but it's 100$ a year to put them on any xbox, even your own. I will admit it is really powerful for how cheap it is.

But PS3 and Wii are new consoles as well - let me ask another question then.

Why are PS3 and Wii good? Or reversely, why did you exclude them form that list?

I don't really know I mean they are decent but I'd prefer older consoles. They are better than the Xbox IMO but i guess I just forgot. The DS is new but I like it. I don't really hate new consoles but I just prefer the retro consoles.

Without Further Ado, I present to you, what might be some replacement script. I haven't tried this yet, but I have a feeling that under "on update me" one could check to see if there are enemy teams on the field before updating the ancestor. I'm not sure if the mine would still appear, or be animated though...

[#name: "objMine", #scriptType: #parent, #type: #script]
 
global g
 

 
property ancestor
 
property pDieOnExplode    -- whether the mine dies when it explodes (energy mine), or simply re-primes itself (pit monster)
 
property pPrimeCounter    -- the amount of time (frames) it takes for the mine to prime itself
 
property pTriggerRadius   -- the max distance away that an enemy can be to trigger the mine
 
property pDieOnExplodeNumber -- number of times the mine can explode before it dies
 
property explosions --counts the number of times that the mine has exploded
 

 
on new me
 
  ancestor = new(script "objGameObject")
 
  
 
  i = me.modifyParams(#init)
 
  i[#dieOnExplode] = true
 
  i[#dieOnExplodeNumber] = 0
 
  i[#timeToPrime] = 30
 
  i[#triggerRadius] = 20
 
  
 
  me.addModule("modAnimSet")
 
  me.addModule("modAttack")
 
  me.addModule("modExploder")
 
  
 
  return me
 
end
 

 
on init me, params
 
  ancestor.init(params)
 
  
 
  pDieOnExplode = params.dieOnExplode
 
  pPrimeCounter = CounterNew()
 
  pPrimeCounter.tim[2] = params.timeToPrime
 
  pTriggerRadius = params.triggerRadius
 
  pDieOnExplodeNumber = params.dieOnExplodeNumber
 
  explosions = 0
 
end
 

 
on gainExperienceFromTransfer me, Xp
 
  return 0
 
end  
 
on internalEvent me, theEvent
 
  ancestor.internalEvent(theEvent)
 
  
 
  case theEvent of
 
    #explodeFin:
 
      if pDieOnExplode then
 
        me.big.setDead(true)
 
      else
 
        me.resetMine()
 
        explosions = explosions +1
 
        if pDieOnExplodeNumber <= explosions and pDieOnExplodeNumber <> 0 then
 
          me.big.setDead(true)
 
        end if
 
      end if
 
  end case
 
end
 

 
on gainExperience me, theExperience
 
  owner = me.getOwner()
 
  if owner <> #none then
 
    owner.gainExperience(theExperience)
 
  end if
 
end
 

 
on recordKill me, theObj
 
  owner = me.getOwner()
 
  if owner <> #none then
 
    owner.recordKill(theObj)
 
  end if
 
end
 

 
on resetMine me
 
  CounterReset(pPrimeCounter)
 
  me.goMode(#stand)
 
end
 

 
on start me
 
  ancestor.start()
 
  
 
  me.resetMine()
 
  --me.setOwner(g.actorMaster.getPlayer())
 
end
 

 
on update me
 
  ancestor.update()
 
  
 
  case me.getMode() of
 
    #stand:
 
      fin = me.updatePrime()
 
      if fin then me.goMode(#primed)
 
      
 
    #primed:
 
      fin = me.updateCheckCollisions()
 
      if fin then
 
        me.big.internalEvent(#mineTriggered)
 
      end if
 
      
 
  end case
 
end
 

 
on updateCheckCollisions me
 
  fin = false
 
  targetToCheck = g.teamMaster.findRandomTarget(me.big)
 
  if targetToCheck <> #none then
 
    dist = GeomDistSqr(me.getLoc(), targetToCheck.getLoc())
 
    if dist < (pTriggerRadius*pTriggerRadius) then
 
      fin = true
 
    end if
 
  end if
 
  return fin
 
end
 

 
on updatePrime me
 
  fin = pPrimeCounter.fin
 
  
 
  if fin = false then
 
    Counter(pPrimeCounter)
 
  end if
 
  
 
  return fin
 
end
 

wait... that's not right at all!

Next time think twice. :)

the cast editor didn't save my changes :(

I think I've finished it again.
Crazy, would you like to bug test for this? there will be one number to play around with, I'll point it out when I repost.

[#name: "objMine", #scriptType: #parent, #type: #script]
 
global g
 

 
property ancestor
 
property pDieOnExplode    -- whether the mine dies when it explodes (energy mine), or simply re-primes itself (pit monster)
 
property pPrimeCounter    -- the amount of time (frames) it takes for the mine to prime itself
 
property pCollisionCounter   -- the time(frames) between collision checks
 
property pTriggerRadius   -- the max distance away that an enemy can be to trigger the mine
 
property pDieOnExplodeNumber -- number of times the mine can explode before it dies
 
property explosions --counts the number of times that the mine has exploded
 

 
on new me
 
  ancestor = new(script "objGameObject")
 
  
 
  i = me.modifyParams(#init)
 
  i[#dieOnExplode] = true
 
  i[#dieOnExplodeNumber] = 0
 
  i[#timeToPrime] = 30
 
  i[#triggerRadius] = 20
 
  i[#timeToCollide] = 10   --this is the number to play around with,
 
--if you lower it, the mine will be more 
 
--reliable, but the game will be slower and
 
-- viceversa. 
 
  
 
  me.addModule("modAnimSet")
 
  me.addModule("modAttack")
 
  me.addModule("modExploder")
 
  
 
  return me
 
end
 

 
on init me, params
 
  ancestor.init(params)
 
  
 
  pDieOnExplode = params.dieOnExplode
 
  pPrimeCounter = CounterNew()
 
  pPrimeCounter.tim[2] = params.timeToPrime
 
  pCollisionCounter = CounterNew()
 
  pCollisionCounter.tim[2] = params.timeToCollide
 
  pTriggerRadius = params.triggerRadius
 
  pDieOnExplodeNumber = params.dieOnExplodeNumber
 
  explosions = 0
 
end
 

 
on gainExperienceFromTransfer me, Xp
 
  return 0
 
end  
 
on internalEvent me, theEvent
 
  ancestor.internalEvent(theEvent)
 
  
 
  case theEvent of
 
    #explodeFin:
 
      if pDieOnExplode then
 
        me.big.setDead(true)
 
      else
 
        me.resetMine()
 
        explosions = explosions +1
 
        if pDieOnExplodeNumber <= explosions and pDieOnExplodeNumber <> 0 then
 
          me.big.setDead(true)
 
        end if
 
      end if
 
  end case
 
end
 

 
on gainExperience me, theExperience
 
  owner = me.getOwner()
 
  if owner <> #none then
 
    owner.gainExperience(theExperience)
 
  end if
 
end
 

 
on recordKill me, theObj
 
  owner = me.getOwner()
 
  if owner <> #none then
 
    owner.recordKill(theObj)
 
  end if
 
end
 

 
on resetMine me
 
  CounterReset(pPrimeCounter)
 
  CounterReset(pCollisionCounter)
 
  me.goMode(#stand)
 
end
 

 
on start me
 
  ancestor.start()
 
  
 
  me.resetMine()
 
  --me.setOwner(g.actorMaster.getPlayer())
 
end
 

 
on update me
 
  ancestor.update()
 
  
 
  case me.getMode() of
 
    #stand:
 
      fin = me.updatePrime()
 
      if fin then me.goMode(#primed)
 
      
 
    #primed:
 
      fin = me.updateCollide()
 
      if fin then
 
        check = me.updateCheckCollisions()
 
        if check then
 
          me.big.internalEvent(#mineTriggered)
 
        end if
 
      end if      
 
  end case
 
end
 

 
on updateCheckCollisions me
 
  fin = false
 
  targetToCheck = g.teamMaster.findRandomTarget(me.big)
 
  if targetToCheck <> #none then
 
    dist = GeomDistSqr(me.getLoc(), targetToCheck.getLoc())
 
    if dist < (pTriggerRadius*pTriggerRadius) then
 
      fin = true
 
    end if
 
  end if
 
  return fin
 
end
 

 
on updatePrime me
 
  fin = pPrimeCounter.fin
 
  
 
  if fin = false then
 
    Counter(pPrimeCounter)
 
  end if
 
  
 
  return fin
 
end
 

 
on updateCollide me
 
  fin = pCollisionCounter.fin
 
  
 
  if fin = false then
 
    Counter(pCollisionCounter)
 
  end if
 
  
 
  return fin
 
end
 

I would love to but could you explain what I have got to bug test? I don't really get this whole cast editor thing yet. I just the procedure for the bug-test.

Forget what I said above. :S
I meant I need the procedure for the bug-test.
Looks like I didn't check twice. XD

first, make sure you are using mrO 22 or 24
then, in the script object folder (within the cast folder) you will find a file named obj_mine (may not be exact name, but it will be something very close to that)

Now, open it in wordpad, and replace everything in it with that comment. Save and close. play mr on a map featuring energy mines.(and not much else) Then, figure out if it would be better for the mines to go off more often, or if they are still slowing things down too much. Go back into obj_mine and raise or lower the number after "i[#timeToCollide] = "(this number is the number of frames between each collision check)
Save and close. Play some more mr. You should try on screens that have few enemies, a medium number of enemies, a lot of enemies, a lot of different teams... any combination you can think of. There will be tradeoffs here and there(it will work better with some conditions than others, you should maybe try and get it to work best then there is a medium number of enemies and two enemy teams in the room?)

Then you should also test it out on a map that has fire, and pit monsters.

Ok-dokie. I will give you the info later.

Ya when I play it says "Script Error". I copied and pasted everything you said in the comment before I asked how to do the bug-test.
I think it is because all the writing is written vertically not horizontally.
The stuff is going like this:
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
But does it have to be like this?
...........................................................................................................................................
If it does have to be horizontal, how do I switch it from vertical to horizontal?

Hello?

where are all the .s coming from?

What? What are you talking about?

In the file, it should look the same as it looks in the comment.

I know. It just says "Script Error".

This might help: use word pad as opposed to notepad. Notepad doesn't keep the spacing if I remember right.

Ok. I will try.