Woo hoo! this fits with my mace and sword!

Again RPGish, but nice. Weapons could include melee weapons (For melee characters), ranged weapons (For agile characters), and wands, staves, etc. (For spellcasters like Merlin and the other wizards)

Wands could have + to spells or stuff like stronger spells.

I LOVE the idea. This would also encorporate an almost RTS feel, with your army of people pitted against waves of monsters. COOL!

Hmm.. .so there will be three types of attack in MR3: Melee, Ranged, and Magic? That sounds neat! A bigger Melee boost could mean higher power slashes, higher Ranged could mean more and faster arrows fired, and high Magic could mean bigger, faster, and better spells like in previous MRs. I like it.

This fits in so well with my idea for Game Mechanics it's insane. Actually, this helped me make the idea, so no wonder.

This is a good idea, but can we pick up items from dead friends?

Yeah for sure! So can the enemies.

pretty lame in my opinion. whats the point of weapons if your merlin? aint he supposed to be the bang bang boom boom magic dude?

if you ever play runescape this is just like it i like it in my opion lol but i mean pick up a black orc sword.......charge it up with magic them BOOM!

i like this idea i think its good to use weopons instead of spells all the time

this is sweet. end of story.

and runescape is sweet

ah.. better idea, when merlin picks up a weapon, he fills it with magic, and uses a huge blast of energy to fling the weapon at an enemy, so not only would the poor goblin get fried, but would also lose his head.

remember merlin is a very old wizard... not a strong warrior

there should be a button so you (merlin) could drop the weapon

i like this idea alot, it will be funny for a tiny goblin to pick up a massive axe from the black orc

ya i lick the idea it's ausum so 5 nice

You lick this idea? GROSS.

Max
P.S. just kidding

k... sounds cool. Plus I think it'd be neat if you could shoot the weapons while they were on the ground to send them flying around, and if they're like swords or maces and stuff, they'd hurt anyone they hit.

Check the "Geting too whacky?!?!?!!"-suggestion.

Steve: You really WANT to make MR3 an RPG?! This will make it too... WAY too much of an RPG!

An RPG? Urgh No!

I just wanted people to be able to pick up each other's weapons - just thought it would cool to have a little goblin swinging a massive orc club or something.

I've been giving this a lot of thought lately. If this can be made to work, it means that whole different possiblities become available just by adding a weapon to the database. Suddenly, all enemies who are capable of using that weapon have access to it (once a few are placed in the map). A map which everyone has got bored of playing could be revitalised by adding a new weapon.

It also means that say for example you have a load of skeletons with swords, and a load of orc with clubs on the same screen. Once the skellies die, the orcs might decide that a sword is a better weapon than a club and go pick them up. It adds a new aspect to the play.

No all enemies would be capable of utilising all attacks. Each enemy would have a capability rating so that a wand in the hands of a goblin mage would be far more powerful than in the hands of a goblin, where as a quadranid wouldn't be able to pick it up at all.

sorta cool, but, I go with the no p2p guy.

It might be good... but might be bad. What if you made a demo with this suggestion, and then people could vote on it again and say what they thought?

Yeah, I'll try and make a demo of them so people can see.

For the demo, make sure to have all (or almost all) enemies from MR2 there, except maybe the hydra.

good idea Lord_Murderer

Hydra rules! What is wrong with you?!

when you blast the weapon it should like move around maybe damage things.

That sounds cool!!!!

Kinda like the goblins n' stuff in rapunnzle's escape?

Yep - sorta like that.

If monsters drop weapons, then it would be stupid if you couldn't pick them up. And if you can pick them up and use 'em, doesn't it sort of ruin merlin's awesome wizardness?

You *could* pick them up, but merlin wouldn't do much damage with a sword so you probably wouldn't bother. On the other hand, that armoured warrior you summoned might decide it's better than his sword and use it.

Yeah but its not always about being the most effective with your weapons, it would just be neat to have the option to use a sword like even if its not so powerful or something because its like , hey, we've never done this before and it makes you feel like youre a part of the army of soldiers youve summoned. Also, it'd be cool if you could still use some spells while holding some weapons. One-handed weapons would be useable with basic spells (half-power energy blast, monster summon) and two-handed weapons wouldnt let you cast anything but monster summon (you'd need monster summon to keep the reinforcements coming). My point is I want to be able to have the option of using weapons, even if I wouldnt always use them. Think about it like this: If you don't give him the option to pick up weapons, there will always be at least a few people who are like "aw i wish he could have used those weapons too!", but if you DO let him use weapons, theres probably not anyone whos gonna be like "aw man this would be so much cooler if he couldnt pick up weapons!"

Anyway the reason I typed all that, steve, is because you seem undecided sorta on if Merlin should use weapons, and I think it should be optional.

Oh yeah, I agree. No, I'm pretty in favour of merlin being able to use weapons. The only thing that could put me off is if it turns out to be a right pain to implement but I don't think it will be too bad.

Okay sorry about my inspirational paragraph.
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well sorry for my paragraph anyway, I mighta gone a bit far to call it inspirational.

I liked this idea so much i licked it but it tasted horrible because SOMEONE *cough* (SKOR) already licked it.

see my other comments about controlling a warier dude and using weapons instead of magic

This is my first time commenting on this 2 thing to say

1.This would be great
2.STEVE MENTIONED MY QUADRICORN HORRAY!(Look at the other comments!)

um, I thought he said a quadranid? Those are the little spider things.

If merlin has a two-handed weapon he should be able to charge it with magic or something, say he charges the giant axe with morph and turns a rock golem into a goblin for a while.

Woah! This is getting outta hand! u cant 'energize' the wepons with magic!!! Steve's original suggestion was great! a lot of ppl say its pointless cause U wouldnt have any reason to pick it up - but like steve said, everyone else could and would, which would be awesome! And watever happened to the fun factor? It would just be fun to wave around a little sword or giant sword or bows and stuff. It doesnt matter if it wouldnt be as strong as ur spells! its like the punch, its just fun to use.
Also, steve, r u still thinking of making a demo with this in it, to test it out?

Thnx for looking,
MR ROX!

Nah, I've pretty much dropped this idea. It was too complicated to actually implement, and I would have needed to draw far more animation sequences for each character that was capable of picking up weapons. It was just too much work.

oh.

isnt that such a cool word?

oh.

You could ask Sketch do design the "holding weapon" sprites...

lol, nice of u to make decisions for sketch... assigning him all the work.... lol.

I said, you could ASK him, that's all.
Sheesh!

Um, I don't think me doing all the animations for all the charactor with all the weapon types is really a happening thing.
I think it would be better if units collected orbs of power or some other stat enchancers that didn't require a massive amount of graphic work. Perhaps orbs they have would show up when you put your mouse over them similar to the level-up stars.

btw, that doesnt mean that i wouldnt want sketch to do the design if he wanted to, as long as steve didnt mind!

Yes, I have a bunch of Merlin's Revenge Characters that I have made by myself, and drawing sprites would be a nice hobby for me, even if I'm not too good at it.

I just need to ask, what do you use to make sprites, because right now I use paint, and it has limits and is hard to switch colours.

Some of the sprites I made were the goblin soldier ones that I made and dispayed on my web so you can see that it's not too bad.

Maybe you could just make a basic "sword", and a basic "bow&arrow", and a basic "wand" that everyone can pick up, rather than an enemies dropping their special weapons.

Personally I use Paint Shop Pro 7 to do the initial drawings with. I got it free with a bunch of blank CDs.

Then I use Deluxe Paint IV AGA running on an Amiga emulator (WinUAE) to do the animation.

Then I use Animation Shop 3 to crop the animations down to their required size. Animation Shop comes with Paint Shop Pro 7.

It's all a bit complicated but it suits me. I wouldn't say that it would suit many other people though!

Hey! I use paint too!
COOL!
And I also use GameMaker a lot, that too.
Paint rocks, man!

steve this is similar to one of my ideas... not sure if you realized it or not. Now im not saying you coppied it or anything because if you did then less people would have made comments about it and even have voted either not as much or even less.

(short form)PEOPLE HATE ME!!!

Thank You for taking the time to read my complaint. It is very appreciated.

Sincearly Yours,
u

How about a shield? Could have a random chance of protecting against damage, but you wouldn't be able to cast spells quite as well.

An idea could be that you can have a sword and a shield if want, but you can't cast spells, (You probably need at least on hand to do that).

You could have shields that have a random chance of deflecting a melee attack, or ones that make the attacks do less damage. Perhaps when Merling gets hit and is knocked around he should lose grip on his weapons and drop them.

(in response to u)
... waits for penny to drop...

*ping*
There goes the penny.
But it bounced. That was a bit unpredicted. It was made of rubber, and someone said ping.
Oh, well.
I must be drunk...

Y'know...

You can have it so that there are only 3 things in the game...

Cutlass- a quick slashing weapon that does low damage.

2 Handed Sword- slow attacking speed, but does higher damage. (3 or 4?)

Wand- Non- magic creatures can fire energy blast according to their level. Magical creatures get a boost into their power, or you can use a special spell.

Crossbow- normal firing speed, fires high velocity bullets, does good damage.

That way, there's only 4 different weapons, rather than everything that every monster uses.

One other thing that would need done is some ai for troops so that they would know when to switch weapons around and some way to tell friendly troops what to use.
For the wands with new powers I have no idea how hard it would be to program the units to aquire and use a new attack. I like the idea of the wands but I don't know how workable it is programaticaly.

Um... my guess would be if an object has a wand, their mana(regeneration, power, speed) would all go up by a given amount.

It would be easier than having every type of weapon in the game... billions of possiblilities.

Everything so far seems rediculously complicated. simplifying things down to 4 weapons would work better, even if it isn't as cool as picking up enemy weapons. Considerign how steve said he pretty much dropped the idea, I guess we should all make a last ditch effort to create alternatives?

WHOOOOOOHOOOOOOO DROPPABLE WEAPONS RULE! u could like take a skeles sword and beat up a goblin stuff like that maybe even take bombs from bomb wizards that would be AWSOME

This still would be pretty fun.

I like this idea:)

How would the player lose the gained weapons?

Maybe you can only have one at a time, or be able to switch them in the pause menu(with only the chosen showing when you press 'q')?

Could u imagine if the little goblin archer had the dragon flamethrower or the axe of the orc king.XD

i think this would be really cool it would totally make the game more aewsome and i like it

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Man,we have got to make a nickname for you.

Welcome. Nice name.

I agree it would be neat, but... Any progress or thoughts about this, note/steve?

I still think it's a good idea. I'm not really working on the engine at the moment but I do intend to return to it at some point.

This would be quite a major feature to add.

Yes it would i always wanted to drop the morph spell but i coudn't.I just don't like the spell.

Maybe TMBIAIRLI? For a nickname?

I dub thee- "Long Winded Username"!

Or, "Louie" for short. Sure, it's not the best acronym in the world, but it works for me.

And yes, I realize it isn't an acronym at all. :)

Crazy, you don't have to use the morph spell even if you have it you know.

Now that I looked at it though, you sort of seem to have a nice base for something like this since all the different weapons are their own casts and stuff, I guess.

I'd probably be able to write a script in mod_weaponManager that would give precedence to picked up weapons. Writing one that has characters search for weapons however, is not something that I do(because anything I do with the moveTo never sems to work)

I would not want to really drop anything except for the morph but that is not necessary.

Oh. whoops, I thought this was the suggestion about weapons that a character would 'attach' to so to speak. (or "operate" if you will, like a cannon or a trebuchet)

Oh well then make sure you know what everyone is talking about next time.:)

By the way, I was wondering that enemies with multiple attacks? Have you done any planning on how would this work with them?

Maybe we could just leave them like that?

It seems you do not grasp the problem I am thinking about, crazy.

It would be that same. All weapons associated with a character are stored in a list, and I set which one I want it to use.

I can't grasp anything.

What about magic? Would a mage drop a scroll?

Would you just set the two weapons(say a bow and a sword) next to each other if a guy who was killed had multiple weapons?

Maybe also there could be units with no weapons(think about goblins in Rapunzel) who need to pick up one left by some other unit to attack(think about goblins after they find giant pair of scissors).

Although everything I was just saying still applies to this, I'm still thinking that other suggestion :P

The AI for each unit would have to be capable of deciding which weapon to use in a given situation. Probably, the decision would be based on the distance to the enemy and, possibly, which weapon the enemy is using.

Onec we have this 'perfect' AI in place we could make it stupidder for certain units who, for example, wouldn't know what to do with a magic spell if it came up and bit them on the bottom.

Also some units (monsters) might not be capable of picking up dropped weapons. A goblin sword would not be much use to a Rox monster.

I would certainly use a goblin sword- oh. that kind of Rox.

I will poke you to death with my goblin sword. I don't think spells should be learnable except by another spellcaster. (I have to say, though, a black orc with thunderstix would be pretty funny.)

Ha an orc mage with thundersticks.lol